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The flag is celestial blue with a coat of arms in its centre. The shield is quarterly divided showing a golden harp in a red filed (1st and 4th quarter) and three red hearts in a silver field (2nd and 3rd quarter. The shield is crested by a silver stag armed red. Source: I spotted this flag on 2 April 2011 at Alster Lake.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 23 April 2011
Hertz? Well, I hardly know anything more about it than any of us, but the description first mentions "flag" and then "coat of arms." So after image searching for "Hertz flag" fails, "Hertz coat of arms" should let you know all that I know (except for the physics stuff).
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 30 April 2011
I have this house flag painted on a ship probably passenger ship of the late 1950's in the harbour of Valletta Malta in an ex-voto in our museum. Can the flag be identified or can I contact any organisation?
Michael Buhagiar, 1 May 2011
Ponder mode: On. I would go for N & W S. - Two family members S., called N. and W., who are
in marine business together? Or merely "something and other Shipping?" But it beats me what the thing on the anchor is supposed to be. The funnel is probably yellow with a black top. Brown 1940 lists a few of those, but there's no match for the flag. The other flags appear to be a UK Red Ensign, and the signal flags Q and G: I am healthy and require a pilot. Apparently she's entering a foreign harbour, and from the image the pilot is just boarding her. I wonder whether the text tells us anything.. She doesn't look all that 50-s, to me, though. A rather straight forward hull, upper ship is not integrated at all, with a lot of frills, and two masts and a midship pipe funnel. It may be she is a converted freighter, but even-so, I would expect her to be from long before the war. Ponder mode: Off
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 7 May 2010
The museum site says "Offered by Carmel Cauchi, who painted the ex-voto himself, as thanks to Our Lady of Graces for keeping him safe in all the trouble he met during his work as a harbour pilot." For a harbour pilot not to identify the ship he painted seems a bit strange to me. As a possibility maybe it was not an actual ship (see the definition of an ex-voto), and based on the above narration, this was not for a specific occasion, but for his whole period as a pilot.
There is nothing on the size of the painting and obviously the larger it is the clearer should be the actual flag but the image provided is not clear and more interestingly the sender, who is the only position to know, has not given a description which would have been most helpful. Therefore I assume that it is not clear on the painting.
There is no name on the ship bow which is highly unlikely. The ensign at the stern has a canton which is unclear which is similar to the house flag.
When I say it is not an actual ship I mean that the painter may have used a class of ship as his model to represent his career as a harbour pilot without meaning to identify it as a specific vessel which would explain the lack of a name showing and a house flag and ensign which only hint at what they are and also are not meant to actual.
The writing at the bottom presumably does not assist as otherwise why did not the sender state what it says as it certainly is not easy to read. About all I can make out is that it is not in English and the name of the painter at the end which at least gave me a lead to where the painting can be found. That it was painted in 1959 does not necessarily date the vessel anyway if it represents his career, of which no dates are given.
Neale Rosanoski, 8 May 2011
I think that in this painting the ship is there just so it can show a pilot boarding it. As for the name on the ship bow, I think it's just not big enough to be readable (in this photograph). At the Zabbar Sanctuary Museum's maritime ex-voto collection exhibit, the picture before this one (dated 27-01-1951) is from the same painter, Carmel Cauchi, and it's a bit easier to see there where the name would be and what size it might be. You also mentioned that the ensign at the stern is similar to the house flag, but are you sure? I see nothing special about the ensign, as far as the details go. I guess we'd need a close up to be sure, though.
I don't think I've ever seen a sailor paint a ship that didn't exist. And for something as meaningful as an ex voto at that? No, considering she's likely to be from around 1910, she could have been his first, or a particularly noteworthy occasion, earlier in his career, and it may be he didn't recall all the details correctly. But I expect he did intend to paint a real ship. Seeing how he didn't just paint a house flag with the flutter obscuring most of it, but instead painted in quite a bit of detail, I would imagine it's either a line entering Valletta harbour often, or one whose flag was on record for him. As for the Maltese written below it, any native readers?
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 9 May 2011
This flag has been identified as a Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Regiment Command flag and all discussion has been moved there.
Image from Jim Ferrigan, 12 May 2011
Attached is an Internet image of a flag which was sold in 2009 as a part of Lot 1058 from Alderfer Auctions & Appraisal of Pennsylvania. It is an image of a wool, 34” (86.33cm) by 50” (127cm) Royal
Artillery Camp Flag with the unusual designation "(S) LAA S/L Rgt. RA," which I think stands for "Light Anti-Aircraft Search Light Regiment Royal Artillery." What puzzles me is the (S) - a unit designation of which I am unfamiliar. I’m submitting this in the hope that some of out British members might be able to shed some light on this.
Jim Ferrigan, 12 May 2011
I know the mottoes and the badge match those of the Royal Canadian Artillery, but are they also used in a British context?
Rob Raeside, 12 May 2011
As I'm sure you both know, the Royal Canadian Artillery flag is almost identical to the Royal United Kingdom Artillery except in the gold coloring of the badge, but would the designation "(S) LAA S/L Rgt. RA," which you think stands for "Light Anti-Aircraft Search Light Regiment Royal Artillery," be done in the same manner on a British unit camp flag? I failed to find a meaning for the "S" except the guess that it might actually stand for "searchlight," or maybe, as my grandson said "superheros," Humm...
Pete Loeser, 28 May 2011
Is it possible that the "S" is a "5," as in 5th Searchlight Regiment?
Jim Popovitch, 29 May 2011
A very reasonable thought there, Jim,
Christopher Southworth, 28 May 2011
Unlikely, because if it were 5th Regiment, the 'S' (or '5') would not be in parentheses. Artillery regiments of the Second World War period were either Searchlight _or_ Light AA; the combination of LAA/SL was only introduced in 1947. I had a word with a friend who served in the Royal Artillery, and who is knowledgeable about their history and traditions, but he wasn't able to throw any light on the flag. I suspect it may be the flag belonging to one of the sub-units of the mystery regiment, rather than the regiment itself, which would account for the single colour of the field.
Ian Sumner, 29 May 2011
I've just been watching a very odd, arty, Canadian film called "Archangel." It's set in northern Russia in 1919, but has several deliberately anachronistic elements. The whole style of it is meant to imitate early Russian silent films. At one point in the film the camera freezes onto a clearly Canadian flag, but one which I'm having trouble recognising. Anyone able to help me identify it?
James Dignan, 28 May 2011
Images from Frank Campbell, 3 June 2011
I have a Dutch maritime painting circa 1650 with three boats flying various Dutch flags. They each fly the standard Dutch flag of the period, but also two large flags which I imagine are municipal or regional. Can anyone help to identify them?
Frank Campbell, 3 June 2011
It is an interesting painting from the 1650-ties. At that time the red, white and blue were established as the Dutch national colours. On #31b it looks like a jumping horse, but it probably is a lion, facing to the flagstaff. I haven’t seen that particular flag before, but #31c is definitely the old flag of the province of Zeeland, which was used about the 1650-ties.
Jos Poels, 4 June 2011
About two years ago (closer to three), I emailed an "Unknown Black Flag" as a jpeg to you and recently, I saw its actual use (at least on a billboard) in the attached image.
William Garrison, Jun 5, 2011
(Note: A bit before my time, but let's give it a go... The original message was titled "Flag, Palestine/Palestinian, Islamic Jihad c.2008," posted on 4 Aug 2008 by Rob Raeside, with a (now) broken information link, but thanks to Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg's near legendary recovery skills, we have the first image. Originally, it received no replies from the list, but now however...)Original image from William Garrison, 4 August 2008
The flag seems to be religious in nature. My Arabic is poor, but I kind of know the alphabet; the writing in the white circle says (I'm pretty sure) "God's messenger Mohammed" and it looks like a couple of "Allahs" above it.
Albert S. Kirsch, 5 Jun 2011
This sounds like the usual "No god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger" formula? I don't know wheter it can be broken up into two design elements like that though...
Eugene Ipavec, 6 June 2011
It's not a full-fledged Shehadah, but at this point we'd best stop speculating and simply check with someone who knows Arabic.
Albert S. Kirsch, 7 June 2011
The white circle with inscriptiom Muhammad Rasul Allah is the seal of Messenger of God which he used on his letters. To get a full Shahadah, the author of flag added the first part (There is no god but God) above the seal.
Amer Sulejmanagic, 7 June 2011
Thank you. (By-the-way, I meant to say this earlier, but this is NOT a Fatah flag - it's obviously some kind of Salafist thing, the design conventions are pretty unmistakable. Fatah flags are white or yellow with logos, not just writing.)
Eugene Ipavec, 7 June 2011
For Muslim, politics is a subset of their religion, Islam. From what I know, they are suppose to be democratic (with no specific form given) and an Islamic government is to rule the world by conquest if necessary.
Steve Shumaker, 8 June 2011
Such a broad generalization of a diverse group of over one billion people is no more justified than one would be which claimed to describe the world's two million Christians, or its hundreds of millions of atheists, or any other broad category of people.
Ned Smith, 8 June 2011
Does anybody know what group of Moslems this flag represents? I think we have established the Islamic link, but what about the flag?
Pete Loeser, 8 June 2011
Looking at the Wikipedia entry on the Al-Shabaab or Shabaab (Arabic for "youth"), an illegal armed group in Somalia, one can notice the flag with the black background is their War Flag. They also have a variant white flag dubbed the Administration flag. They even have a logo.
Esteban Rivera, 11 June 2011
This is a very crude sketch of a flag seen on Al-Jazeera News, 04 May 2011, the flag of an Iranian intelligence entity of some kind; white with a all-green logo consisting of an 8-pointed star containing an eye whose pupil is a tiny globe. Two lines of writing below.
Eugene Ipavec, 13 June 2011
May I ask your opinion on the flags in the toy soldier picture attached. These are probably meant to be Spanish-American War era flags, but I can’t match them up exactly. And I can’t match them with earlier Cuban, etc. Maybe the toymaker wanted to adjust the flag design just enough to make them multi-purpose/generic toy flags?
William Nutting, 16 June 2011
I think Bill Nutting is correct in his asumptions. Also, I think many toy makers think it is not important to get flags right.
Elias Granqvist, 17 June 2011
The "Chilean" color pattern is reminiscent of a recent (1950's-1960's) flag of the Directorio Revolucionario which in turn may be derived from older Cuban flags, so perhaps the toymaker is not entirely off-base.
Albert S. Kirsch, 17 June 2011
I've seen three Indian flags on Flickr, and I can't identify all of them. The photograph has been taken on the Khardung La pass, Ladakh.
The symbol upon the red flag is probably symboloizing Shiva (trident) and the Himalayas (He is said to reside on top of Mt. Kailash). The triband at the first glance looks like a party flag of Nepalese Congress (which seems, however, to be impossible). In the photos you showed us, there are two variants (one without stars upon the fly). The red-blue stiped flag seems to be a military flag in British imperial style (I saw a few similar flags in England last year). The dark blue stripes in rainy wheather might appear as black. I guess, if it is a military flag, it could be that one of the 201st Engineers in Chennai (Madras). The monument is also dedicated to the sappers of that regiment having lost their lived in building that road. I believe, I could identify the logo in the centre of the flag: An equilateral triangle, red a t base with two white lines (symbolizing roads?) and blue at the top with two white peaks (flanking a pass?).
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 16 June 2011
I forgot to mention it. Kailash is an imortant pilgrimage site for Hindus, Buddhists and Bönpos (bön is the other traditionnal Tibetan religion, nowadays it is so similar to Tibetan buddhism that a complete foreigner couldn't see nor understand the differences). As Ladakh is one of the main entrance to Tibet and Kailash, this trident is not really surprising. This logo can also be seen in full size on the homepage of the BRO's website.
Corentin Chamboredon, 16 June 2011
Obviously the flag is no military flag, but belongs to the Border Roads Organisation, but you have given us at least a trace.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 16 June 2011
Find attached three unrecognized flags, possibly North American. On one flag the Great Lakes are depicted. Maybe collectors from North America will be able to help with their identification.
Joerg M. Karaschewski, 26 June 2011
The key on the brown/orange flag suggests a German company from the Bremen/Hamburg area.
A similar key is shown on house flags in Flaggenbuch 1928 [d9e28]. The EK flag might possibly be Greek (?)Ships and The Sea, by E.C.Talbot-Booth, [tbb36] shows; Blue E on white flag for S.G. Embiricos, and Blue K on white over blue for Rethymnis and Kulukundis Ltd.
David Prothero, 28 June 2011
Pure speculation from me with no expertise at all, but I'd like to suggest it may be worth looking into the third flag (#36c) being something to do with the 50th Signal Corps Battalion. My curiosity was piqued, so I googled for a little while. The orange/white colour scheme and black key seem similar (but not identical) to the Corps coat-of-arms, while there also seems to be some association between them and a white diamond on an orange backdrop. Haven't turned up any strong suggestion as to the meaning of the letters, though, although the FS could stand for Fort Sam Houston/Fort Sheridan, where the corps were based at various points.
It doesn't seem much of a stretch for GLE (on Flag #36b) to be from a Great Lakes-based company, although Great Lakes Energy, which currently exists, only stretches back to 1997, and doesn't seem to have any international role, which suggests the flag isn't theirs.
Law, 4 July 2011
Image by Rick Wyatt, 10 September 1999
I'm trying to identify a flag my husband and I saw on HBO's John Adams, in the beginning credits. It looks to me like men netting something (possibly a bear or wildcat?), and we've been trying to figure out which state it represented. We would really appreciate an answer if you have any idea which flag we're talking about.
Jennifer Charter, 4 July 2011
Not a bear, but a lion. It's the colour of the 1st Pennsylvania Regiment. It was raised as Thompson's Rifle Regiment or Battalion in 1776; renamed 1st Pa in 1777, and was also known as the 1st Continental Regiment. The device shows a hunter trying to snare a lion, and the motto underneath reads "Dominari Nolo" - I refuse to be subjugated. The original flag is in the William Penn Memorial Museum in Harrisburg, PA. The flag is discussed on pp116-117 of "Standards and Colors of the American Revolution" by Edward W. Richardson (Univ of Pennsylvania Press, 1982); and in an article by Wendy M. Werner & John N. Armstrong, '1st Continent Regiment / 1st Pennsylvania Regiment flag' in the journal Military Collector and Historian Spring 1975.
Ian Sumner, 4 July 2011
The flag is that of the First Pennsylvania Rifles. (See picture provided)
Rick Wyatt, 4 July 2011
I have a 4X6 inch stick flag I got with a bunch of other historical U.S. flags. I can't ID one of them. It has 16 red and white horizontal stripes with a white one on top. In the upper left corner is an image of George Washington in a red jacket holding a Sword with an eagle, 2
American flags/banners and 13 gold stars. Can you give me any help in identifying this flag?
Roger Owens, 4 July 2011
This flag is from the American Bicentennial, released in 1975 by the Golden State Flag Company of San Francisco. This was their version of the "Know-Nothing" Flag. Attached is the picture and description from their pamphlet.
Dave Pawson, 4 July 2011
Note: Also scroll down to Native American Party 1841-1856 for further information about this replica flags origins.
I just bought a lot of seven flags on eBay, simply because one appears to be a pre-1955 Soviet flag (#39-1). A couple appear to be Swedish (#39-3 and #39-4), and one is Sierra Leone (#39-6). I had assumed the one with red, yellow, and green horizontal stripes was Ghanaian (#39-2), but it lacks a star. Another has two yellow horizontal stripes flanking a green one (#39-5), and the last is a large triangular-shaped pennant; a black stripe flanked by white (#39-7).
Keir Laird, 6 July 2011
The red-yellow-green tricolour (#39-2) might also be Bolivia (but it is a strange ratio), the three others yellow-green-yellow (#39-5), white-black-white (#39-7) and blue-white-green (#39-6) might be flags of students' associations. I'll take a look to see if I could find a good match.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 6 July 2011
I'd say #39-2 is green-yellow-red, and Ethiopian.
Jonathan Dixon, 6 July 2011
Jonathan, of course. How could I not immediately recognise the oldest colours of an African flag?
Keir, 6 July 2011
I checked the plates of Coburger Convent and found there was:
1. no match for yellow-green-yellow (#39-5) and white-black-white (#39-7)
2. There are two matches for blue-white-green (#39-6)
a. Chattia located in Berlin-Charlottenburg
b. Göttinga-Normannia located in Göttingen
Since black and white had been the traditional colours of Prussia, there might exist a Prussia or Borussia fraternity in some other convent.
Klaus-Michael, 6 July 2011
I'm pretty sure the pennant (#39-7) is a Royal Navy signal flag, but not sure.
Keir, 7 July 2011
Actually, pennant #39-7 looks like the 3rd substitute (repeater) in the International Signal Code.
David Prothero, 7 July 2011
It hasn't made the DoV yet, but the Editor's Master List confirmes that this pennant certainly appears to be the 3rd Substitute in the ICS (and indeed in the NATO Code).
Christopher Southworth, 7 July 2011
I agree and you can see the NATO Substition Flag on this page, identical to the ICS one.
Pete Loeser, 8 July 2011
Has anybody noticed the uncanny resemblance of #39-7 to the unidentified UFE10-16c, could they both be the same flag?
Pete Loeser, 15 July 2011
Yes, I had noticed resemblance. Whether the stripes are blue or black may be a matter of lighting. But the difference is that one has a tapered middle stripe, and the other a straight one.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 16 July 2011
Recently my father gave me a flag that was given to him many years ago by a close friend. From what little research I have done the flag looks to be some form of the United Kingdom Royal Standard. I have attached a few pictures for you to see if you have any idea the time period.
Kyle Addis, 25 July 2011
It is unlikely that this is a flag since there are no fastenings by which it might have been attached to a halliard. It appears to be a decoration of some sort, based upon the British Royal Standard, with a narrow red and white border added. It is definitely later than 1837, when Victoria became Queen, and the Hanoverian escutcheon was removed from the centre of the standard. It is probably not much later than 1907 when the number of fleur-de-lis on the tressure around the Scottish Lion, in the official Royal Standard, were reduced to eight.
David Prothero, 27 July 2011
Image by Esteban Rivera, 3 August 2011
In this 2009 movie, there's a scene where the two main carachters are searching in a warehouse where they find a cache full of explosives, and they come across an Arabic flag. The setting is in Iraq, and the flag seems similar to that of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Organization flag.
Esteban Rivera, 3 August 2011
I suspect it's fictitious. There is a shehada at the top, but with zero ornamentation in the calligraphy, there is a crescent (vs a full moon/disc in the one we have), and whatever's on the bottom is not "jihad" and doesn't look like the blurry lettering in "ours" either. It is obviously based on Zarqawis and conceivably could be a variant, though it's rare that Hollywood attempts such accuracy.
Albert S. Kirsch, 3 August 2011
This flag was from the movie "The Hurt Locker," so I include the movie name which mght help.
Esteban Rivera, 13 August 2011
Calling on all expert vexillologists: I found some small photos of the flags from the Dido (Tsezy) website. I could positively identify only the flags of Gagauzia, Crimean Tatars and Buryatia (national one, not republican). The rest is Greek (or Turkish) to me, meaning: "I don't know" - does anybody?
Chrystian Kretowicz, 20 August 2011
I have a fleamarket stall in Cape Town and I sell on Bidor Buy and have many flags from the tanker ships, but this one has me stumped.
Sid Hart, 5 August 2011
I came across this flag at our local flag store. It's not an original but a modern nylon replica. I think it might be some type of Ottoman flag, but I'm not sure. Can anyone help?
Clay Moss, 18 August 2011
A couple of years ago, we made something like this for a customer. He called it the "Ottoman Religious Flag." I found versions with varying number of points on the stars. We settled on a 5 pointed version. (seen here).
Rick Wyatt, 21 August 2011
Thanks Rick! The 5 pointed star version is common in Malaysia today and can be seen flying over various mosques. I'm fairly certain now that the 8 pointed star is Ottoman, or at least influenced by old Ottoman flag variants.
Clay Moss, 21 August 2011
Such green flags with crescent and star, in slight variations of the design, but basically green variant of the Turkish flag, are more or less regular inventory of mosques in the Balkans as well.
Occasionally, and especially during the Muslim holydays the may be displayed from outside the mosque or hoisted from the minarets. I remember such flags being used in Bosnia already in 70's (and
probably also earlier, but my memory doesn't go so far :) Obviously, they are intended to represent the Islamic faith.
Željko Heimer, 21 August 2011
I came across this link displaying two Mexican flags (and the Mexican flag itself). Can someone help me identify the two flags which are in white background?
Esteban Rivera, 21 August 2011
The first one (on our left) seems to be that of the Estado de México (State of Mexico).
Chrystian Kretowicz, 21 August 2011
The flag on the left of the Mexican flag is the flag of the state of Mexico, the most populous state in the country, which almost surrounds the Federal District (i.e., Mexico City). I tried to do some research on the one to the right, and all I could come up with, is that it is the flag of a college in Ecatepec or Metepec (you can see "tepec" in the bottom of the coat of arms) , two of the most important municipalities in the State of Mexico. Perhaps someone could improve this information.
Juan Carlos Jolly, 29 August 2011
I got a better look at the flag, and on the top and the right it reads: "DE ESTUDIOS SUPERIORES" (of Superior Studies), thus it is truly a University flag. The only thing that comes to my mind when Juan Carlos mentions the ending "tepec" is Chapultepec, but none of that comes as a result when I seek University flags under that name. So I guess we're gonna need further assistance on this.
Esteban Rivera, 30 August 2011
I proposed Metepec, a suburb of Toluca, the capital of the State of Mexico, and Ecatepec, a suburb of Mexico City (and the most populated municipality
in the country), which are the only "tepec" municipalities in the State of Mexico large enough to house a college or university. "Tepec" means hill, mount, butte, promontory, etc., in Nahuatl (originally "tepetl," but mistransliterated in Spanish to "tepec;" hence "Ecatepec" (hill of winds), Metepec (hill of maguey plants), Popocatépetl (smoky mountain, keeping the Nahuatl spelling), Chapultepec (hill of crickets), etc. It is a very common suffix in Mexican toponymy. Chapultepec is not in the State of Mexico, but in the Federal District (Mexico City). That's why I don't think Chapultepec is the word in the flag. I personally think is more Metepec than Ecatepec, but that's just a personal guess. I'll keep looking.
Juan Carlos Jolly, 30 August 2011
Combining it all: This would be the flag of Tecnológico de Estudios Superiores de Ecatepec
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 30 August 2011
Currently, on behalf of Flags Australia, I am cataloguing the former flag collection of the State Library-Museum of Victoria, which has been donated to our Society. Amongst the flags, so far inspected was this attached flag, which was labelled with a sticky post-it note, "GUYANA (State Arms)". This flag was donated to the State Library-Museum of Victoria in 1992.
The two Jaguars, all be it reversed, are identical to those in the Guyana's Arms, and appear in the opposite order on the flag's reverse. The central Palm Tree is similar to the Palm Tree that appears on the then flag of the governing political party, Peoples National Congress (PNC). After discussing this with a Flags Australia colleague, it was suggested to me that it may possibly be the Presidential Flag for Guyana's President Hugh Desmond Hoyte (1985-1992). Another possibility, but less likely, is that it could even be the Prime Minister's Flag, who at the this time was Hamilton Green, who also served between 1985-1992.
My question is, can anyone please supply further information about what was this flag's purpose ?, when was it designed ? and how long was it used for ? The flag itself measures 96 cm (3 feet, 2 inches approx.) high by 162 cm (5 feet, 3 inches approx.) long, plus the heading. The central vertical black stripe and arms are painted onto both sides of the flag's yellow field material.
Ralph Bartlett, President, Flags Australia, 21 September 2011